Jan 21 2008
Interview With Behler Publications
Posted below is an interview with Lynn Price who is the editorial director for an independent commercial publisher, Behler Publications. She has done a beautiful job providing her perspective on the publishing industry and how writers can pique the interest of publishers.
Though Price summarizes the difference between independent commercial houses and big ones, I believe the difference is clear in a recent Behler Publications blog post. Click here to check it out. I’ll wait here. Go ahead.
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Your back? Great.
That post is one of the reasons I frequent their blog. The sense of humor and personal feel I get when reading Price’s posts is immeasurable. To me it demonstrates the personal attention an independent commercial book publisher can offer writers.
Note: the interview is long, but it’s blog policy not to edit industry interviews because the information provided is invaluable. If you need to read this post in chunks, no problem. This blog isn’t going anywhere.
Now on with the interview.
What is the difference between an independent book publisher and a print on demand/vanity publisher?
Print On Demand actually has two definitions because one begat the other. See? Already it gets confusing.
Printing: Print On Demand is a printing process – more accurately called Digital Printing. This process allows for very small, quality print runs from 1 – 900 at an affordable price. This is handy for printing up advanced reader galleys that go to trade magazine reviewers or for back list titles that still have demand but not enough to warrant a full web-based (offset) run. In the beginning, the quality was pretty horrible, but nowadays it’s difficult to tell the difference between the web based (offset) runs. One can tell because the ink is shiny on a digital book if you slant it toward the light. This technology begat the Print On Demand business plan.
Print On Demand Business Plan: As with everything in life, money determines the business modality. This new ability to print tiny runs opened up brand new opportunities to become a publisher with very little capital. When one considers the costs of editing, cover art, interior design, marketing, sending books out to reviewers, distribution, and print runs, it’s easy to see that being a publisher is hideously expensive, and the publisher must do a lot of marketing so they don’t take a financial bath on their investment.
The Print On Demand business plan is free from these worries because they don’t have the money at the outset, and their smaller budgets rule what they can afford. The first to go was paying advances. Out went hiring a talented and experienced editing team. So long to the $2500 cover art, bye bye to $1500 interior design, and most of all, sayonara 5,000 unit print runs (on average), and marketing. As with any business, when you crimp on quality and effort, you produce an inferior product. The publishing industry immediately saw the lack of quality and refused to review or stock these poorly edited, often unmarketable storylines, and poorly designed works.
Because they only print a few books at a time, the publishers can’t gain any kind of national distribution for several reasons:
- The genre buyers know the books don’t have enough demand because they don’t have any marketing plans in place and can’t get them reviewed by the trade magazines.
- The retail prices are invariably higher than market because digital printing is more costly than doing a 5,000 unit offset run.
- PODs have a very tough time accepting returns because it eats into their budget. Books get printed and they have to be paid for regardless of whether they’re returned or not. PODs don’t have the capital to withstand those returns.
With these factors at play, they attract authors who, for whatever reason, are unwilling to go the route of submitting to commercial presses or agents, or have been rejected by every agent and editor in the industry. Since the POD business plan publisher has very little cash outlay, all the burden for marketing is exclusively shouldered by the authors.
From a logical standpoint, one has to ask themselves why a company would spend what little money they have producing a product only to make another party responsible for the selling of the product. The answer is that writers love their books, and writers will work very hard to get their books into readers’ hands. The author is an unwitting, unpaid sales force, and POD publishers depend on them to make money, and it’s a very dicey way to do business. If every author refused to shoulder the responsibility for selling his book, that would be the end of the POD business plan. For that reason, many, many POD business plan companies have gone belly up.
I have a more detailed and revealing discussion about the Print On Demand paradigm on our blog: http://behlerblog.blogspot.com/2007/12/pod-print-on-dime.html
Vanity: This is pay to play publication, and the fees to play can be astronomical. Like the POD business plan, all marketing is done by the author, they have zero distribution other than the online databases, zero shelf space in the bookstores, their editing and cover art tends to be inferior, and the books aren’t returnable in many cases. The upside is that the author has total control over their book, which is risky because authors don’t understand the marketplace.
What is the difference between an independent (commercial publisher and say Penguin Group or Random House?
If you’re talking about a small indie commercial press like us, I’d say about sixteen less zeroes in our bottom line and thousands of pounds lighter in terms of the weight we throw around within the industry. There are many indie commercial publishers that are making a huge impact on the industry, and on readers. In terms of clout, however, the power remains with the large houses.
Numbers:
Marketing and Distribution:
Likewise, the savvy indie commercial presses will sign with a good independent distributor who has a sales team pitching their titles to the genre buyers at the corporate and local levels in all states. They’ll also pitch to the libraries and indie bookstores.
Any author investigating a publisher should always, always, always ask who their distributor is. If they say Ingram or Baker & Taylor, be aware that these are not distributors that have a sales force. They are centralized warehouse distributors who sell to the bookstores when an order is placed.
Genre:
Questions about Behler Publications
Behler Publications accepts unagented manuscripts. Do unagented scripts receive the same consideration as agented one’s?
It depends upon the manuscript and the agent. I have some agents for whom I will clear the desk because they submit consistently good work, they’re prepared, and write great proposals. Because agents know my tastes and are better prepared, they receive heavier consideration. Having said this, I have, on numerous occasions, cleared the decks for a well written query from an author. However, the cases where we sign unagented authors are growing smaller as more agents submit to us.
Once a manuscript has been submitted, what can authors expect from the process?
I read their first 30 pages. If I’m wild about it, I’ll ask to see a full book proposal that includes title comparisons, PR plan, and completed manuscript. If I’m still wild about it, I’ll talk with the author on the phone to get a better picture of their personality, their intent for their book, and give them a chance to ask me any questions they may have. Then I take it to my submissions committee that is comprised of our distributor, sales teams, and editors, where it’s kicked around until it’s black and blue around the edges. If it survives this, I sit and think on it for another week before offering a contract.
Is there a particular voice and/or genre that Behler Publications publishes most?
We’re leaning very heavily toward the nonfiction genre these days. I haven’t accepted fiction in ages. I look for the personal journey that knocks me out of my socks and makes me think for days after I finish reading the work. I like controversy. I like to get people talking and thinking about social issues that permeate themselves in the human condition – things like health, aging, death, illness, disabilities, etc. Most of all, I love to laugh and be surprised. Those are the elements that keep readers engaged.
Advice for writers
Writing a query that piques the interest of a publisher isn’t easy. What advice do you have for writers in regards to writing compelling query letters?
Writing a query or cover letter is agonizing. I speak at seminars that deal with this very issue, so it’s nearly impossible to answer this in a paragraph. The most important thing is to pitch your story to me in a single paragraph, and here’s what I look for:
A) Intro the characters
B) Intro dilemma
C) Present teasers or resolutions
Lastly, tell me why you’re the best person to have written this book. What special qualifications do you have that give you a great platform? Are you the doc who practices alternative medicine in your practice? Are you the mom of a child whose bipolar disorder is the worst case doctors have ever seen? Are you the broadcast journalist who broke one of the most riveting stories in the country? Are you the caretaker of a disabled Hollywood mogul?
While it’s true that every editor is looking for a great book, we have to look for a great platform as well in order to create demand for the book. The trick is to keep this cover letter to a page. If you’ve piqued our interest, we’ll ask for more.
Submitting proposal after proposal and receiving rejection after rejection can be a blow to a writer’s self-esteem. What can writers do to keep from jumping off a ledge?
Wear a seat belt? Okay that was flip. But I say that because I’ve been there. I’m a writer, and I’ve experienced every bit of angst and frustration. If a writer has received roughly 100 rejections, then it’s time to consider that the work could be flawed. Many writers are working with independent editors these days because the competition is so rough. Writers should be members of good, solid writing groups – either online or in person. These are goldmines in terms of getting honest feedback and help with writing query letters.
Attend writer’s conferences and network. Contrary to what people say, editors and agents aren’t really harbingers of evil that had their hearts genetically removed in utero. We love talking to fellow writers, and the best place to do this is at conferences. Get appointments with editors and agents and have your work critiqued. For instance, I’ll be speaking at the SDSU Writer’s Conference in San Diego next week, and I received six submissions to critique. These aren’t submissions to our company, but simply honest feedback from myself, other editors, and agents. You just can’t get that kind of feedback anywhere else.
Lastly, the biggest solace I found when making the submissions rounds was to write another book.
Hey gang, it’s me Auria. That was an informative interview, right?
The following two posts offer a quick glance at the books recently published by Behler Publications. To review addtional titles click here and here.
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Wow! What an interview. I’m about ready to begin querying. I’m at the last stages of editing. This interview has given me the incentive to send out my manuscript for consideration.
“Ingram or Baker & Taylor, be aware that these are not distributors that have a sales force. They are centralized warehouse distributors who sell to the bookstores when an order is placed.”
Here I thought that Ingram was the keyword I NEEDED to hear. This interview is an eye opener.
The service I used was instant publisher http://www.instantpublisher.com/
It worked well for me, because not only did I retain all the rights to my book , but I also made all the profits. I sent my manuscript to a few published authors and they provided me with some good blurbs to use on the book. The agents I queried were looking for authors that were already published and the publishers were looking for authors with agents. I became my own PR person and managed to sell all my books, along with having signings at the local school and even two radio interviews.
This is a really, really good interview. I like the POD information that was given and this has given me good insight into what it takes to get published. I’m glad I’m part of a writing group!
Rain,
Do you think you will attempt to get published by a traditional publisher next time around? Or are you fixed on the fact that agents are only looking for published authors?
(btw, I’ll try to secure an interview with an agent to broach that very subject - agents only wanting published authors. I already know the answer, but it’s better for everyone to hear what an agent has to say.)
Aaron,
I’m in the process of getting an interview with a POD. Stay tuned…
I would love to have a deal with a major publisher, but my book is a YA novel and at the time I was told by many that it was a good story, but they were looking for something more in the line of Harry Potter. Maybe it depends on the type of book you have, but most of the major children’s book agents were looking for fantasy type books or books by authors who have previously been published.
A children’s author is preparing her responses for an interview. I asked her about the agent and established authors but not about wanting a book in the lines of Harry Potter.
That said, remember Bethany Fehlbaum? http://auriacortes.com/courage-in-patience-coming-to-a-bookstore-near-you/
She’s a YA author who’s a debut author and her book is nothing like Harry Potter.
I hear from many other writers, regardless of genre, that agents and publishers only want established authors (this is something i don’t agree with). I’m going to try to find a stat that shows how many debut authors are published each year. I hope I can find something.
If anyone knows where I can find this info, please let me know.
Interesting interview. Not much has changed in the publishing arena. I like rainlillie’s path.
It’s nonsense that publishers only seek established authors. Fact: all authors, including bestselling ones, were new at one point.
Pamela,
How can you say it’’s” nonsense” , the agents I queried were looking for authors that were already published and the publishers were looking for authors with agents.. I made the best choice for me, it may not work for others, I was very happy with the outcome. I’m speaking from my own personal experience.
“Not much has changed in the publishing arena. I like rainlillie’s path.”
Thanks Diane.
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Rain,
IMO, you self-published the right way because you promoted and marketed your book. For me, it doesn’t make sense to self-publish a book and let copies sit in your garage. An author that chooses the self-publishing route must SELL SELL SELL.
It’s the same with POD. Unless the author is willing to put in the time necessary to sell copies, then why publish? To sell a few copies to friends and family? Okay, if that what the author wants. I for one don’t want my friends and family to humor me by buying my book. I want to reach readers who will enjoy the story I have to tell.
I was fortunate enough to have media connections due to my husbands business, and I was able to utilized every resource available. It is a lot of work, because you must become your own PR person. I did the mailings and wrote the letters. I was also able to get my book stocked on a few independent book shelves, along with having a website set up to sell books.
I was told my book was good, but the market wasn’t looking for my type of story. I had a choice, I could wait it out or invest in my own book. I chose to invest in my book, because I believe it’ s a good story and I wanted to share it with others. In the future since I still own the rights, I can seek a major publisher.
I feel joy for any author that is able to get a major deal and I’m also happy for those of us who have a story to tell , but can’t get that big deal, but with hard work can share it with others. You should do what works best for you. There isn’t a right way or wrong way IMO. As long as you know what to expect, you’ll be okay.
You may have to sell your book as a reprint. Those are harder to sell.
“There isn’t a right way or wrong way IMO. As long as you know what to expect, you’ll be okay.”
I agree and the reality is that most self-published authors don’t know what to expect. So many authors self-publish and buy thousands of books. Those books stay in the garage.
IMO, it’s also the way wrong to automatically go through self-publishing or POD because you (this is the general you…I’m not typing directly to Rain) hear war stories from other writers and don’t have enough confidence in your work to seek representation.
On edit:A former friend of mine owns a “publishing” company. What she and her partner do is wrong. Writers don’t know what they are getting themselves into. They are spending thousands of dollars and placing it in the hands of two women that don’t know anything about publishing. It makes me sick. Their business model is nothing like InstantPublisher.com. InstantPublisher doesn’t pretend to be something its not.
When writers get desperate and they don’t value their work enough to do due dillegence, they get burned. Whether it be in their pockets or self-esteem.
Rainlillie:
There is no dispute it worked for you. I simply addressed the statement that established authors are the only ones commercial publishers seek.
“I simply addressed the statement that established authors are the only ones commercial publishers seek.”
In some cases that may be true, I can only speak from my own experience.
Rainlillie said:
In the future since I still own the rights, I can seek a major publisher.
This thinking can be dangerous because publishers are going to:
- Check the Bookscan numbers to check the sales. Bookscan numbers are comprised of bookstores and online store sales. If your sales are around 5,000, then that’s pretty great, and you may gather some interest from one of the large presses.
- pass on the project because it’s previously published and they know you’ve already hit all the major markets, leaving them with little to draw upon.
I see this thought process all the time, and authors find out all too soon that they really can’t re-sell the book. In fact, I just blogged about it on our blog - http://behlerblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/do-it-right-first-time.html
Lynn:
I read your post. The information you have posted is very useful. Thank you for sharing.